In episode 71 of Wake Up to Wealth, Brandon Brittingham interviews Chris Rood, a legendary real estate investor and straight-shooting entrepreneur, as he shares how he became an advocate for real talk, authentic leadership, and helping aspiring investors build generational wealth with practical, actionable strategies.
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Brandon Brittingham:
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Chris Rood:
Absolutely, Brandon. Appreciate you having me.
Brandon Brittingham:
So a couple things I want to talk about. I know you're involved in a lot of different things. Number one, I appreciate your content on Facebook and on social media in general, because I think you tell it very straight. And I think we live in a world, not saying anything negative about anybody, but we live in a world where there's a lot of gurus on social media that I think give bad advice on investing. And I think you give very tactical, real, great advice when it comes to real estate investing. So I appreciate that. It's just refreshing to see and hear.
Chris Rood:
Yeah, I appreciate that, man. I, I mean, look, social media is Hollywood for wannabe entrepreneurs that are not real operators. I've been an entrepreneur since I was 22 years old, started and bootstrapped many companies out of the back of my truck from scratch and took them to 7 figures before I was even on social media. So when I got onto social media and I started seeing all the half-truths and bullshit, you know, it's pretty easy to pinpoint who's, who's telling the truth, who's lying by the overexaggerations and just You know, anybody can do this, it's so easy. No, dude, nobody— not everybody can do this. This shit is the hardest thing you would do in your lifetime.
Brandon Brittingham:
Yeah, no doubt. Um, I want to talk about a couple things. One thing that I've seen you talk about, and I don't want to misquote this, so I'm going to let you say it, but I think it's, it's so true, is you talk about, um, and I want you to say it in your words, but you talk about kind of like It's either 3 or 4 buckets of real estate, like today money, kind of in the middle money, long-term money. I just think that's a very simple way to explain it. And I never really see people talk about that. If you wouldn't mind, kind of dive into that because I think that's so good.
Chris Rood:
Yeah. I mean, look, I'm a very simple, basic guy. I could barely read and write coming out of high school. And I like things broken down into a way and a manner that I can understand. And I had to break down for myself first to really digest how to invest in real estate because there's a lot of things that are said on how to invest in real estate. And there's so much information that at first glance, if you're just getting started, it's very confusing and you don't know where to go. And they'll tell you, well, you should wholesale. No, you should flip. Or no, you should buy rental properties. No, you should do this and that. And they're all right and they're all wrong. You know, I did everything backwards when I was, you know, I started buying and holding when I was about 28, 29 years old. And 'cause that's what you were supposed to do. You're supposed to what? Buy assets and try to live off your what? Your passive income.
Brandon Brittingham:
Yeah.
Chris Rood:
Well, come to find out that none of that shit was passive. It barely cash flowed. Because of the fact of, you know, tenants messing stuff up or vacancies and just things that, that just you can't foresee. And I was like, either I'm stupid, I don't know what I'm doing, or the people I'm listening to are just selling a bunch of bullshit. And I come to the conclusion that a lot of shit that's sold in books and on Instagram and Facebook and social media gurus is just a bunch of bullshit because they're half right and half wrong. And There's a thing in business, and that goes for just about anything in business when you're trying to make money, you can do everything right and have all the right information, but you do it in the wrong order.
Brandon Brittingham:
Hmm.
Chris Rood:
And I talk about this in my book, Scale Up. You know, you have to do things in the right order, sequencing, right? Yeah, should you wholesale? Should you flip? Should you buy and hold? Yes. But you should start off with learning how to buy at wholesale prices first and foremost. Which is your fast money. And it doesn't necessarily mean wholesaling, that you should just be doing wholesaling. Fast money is categorized as anything that pays you on a 30-day basis. It's your active income, right? You need active income to pay your bills every month. So I had to coin the term for myself, fast, medium, and slow money. And yes, I coined it. A lot of people try to rip off my content. And I've been talking about this for probably 8 years now, fast, medium, and slow money. Fast. You need fast money. You need money today that pays you, whether that's your W-2 job, whether that's wholesaling, whether that's a small business that transacts on a daily, weekly, or monthly basis to pay your bills. And then you need what's called— what I call medium money, which is midterm money, which is how you create seed capital. You need to learn how to flip stuff, whether that's houses, whether that's apartments, whether that's mobile home parks, whether it's cars, whether it— you need it. You need something to flip to give you a bigger rip. So that you can have seed capital to invest in what I call slow money, which is what? Buy and hold, land development, things that pay out in a 1 to 2, 2 to 4-year process, whereas your midterm or your medium money usually pays you within a 3 to 6, 6 to 8-month basis, maybe a year, but it gives you a bigger rip. You might make $40,000 or $50,000. You might make $60,000 to $80,000. And if you do that in the right order, And you roll your money from fast to medium to medium to slow, by default, you will build wealth if you learn how to buy right, which that's why I talk about you need to learn how to buy at wholesale prices. Then you need to learn how to raise capital. Then you flip. Then you buy and hold in that right order. Because if you do it sequentially in that right order, it's just the natural order of things. And then once you buy and hold, then you eventually want to get into land development. That's where I'm at. And I have that broken down into like, you know, sections where, you know, You know, no different than when you go to elementary school, then junior high, high school, college, graduate school. You don't go straight to high school before you go learn the ABCs and the 1-2-3s of real estate investing. And what's the ABCs and 1-2-3s of real estate investing? Buying right. If you don't get that part right, if you don't learn how to buy at wholesale prices and understand what things cost in relation to other things to where you can discern and better buy at a huge discount, you're not gonna make it as a professional real estate investor. That's why fail rate's probably 90, 95%. They don't learn how to buy right, or they just go start buying. They go straight to going and buying rental property. You have no business buying rental property until you learn how to buy right, until you learn the construction process. 'Cause if you learn how to wholesale first and buy at wholesale prices, then you can buy deep enough to flip. And then when you start flipping, you have to learn the art of raising capital, 'cause most people don't have millions of dollars to go and dump into properties to flip. And then you, it forces you to learn the construction process because you're flipping, and then you get more wiser. And then you have what? A tax problem 'cause you're building up seed capital.
Brandon Brittingham:
Yeah.
Chris Rood:
Therefore, the next logical thing would be to start buy and hold so you can offset your fast and medium money through your slow money investing in the best properties that you cherry-pick from your wholesale pipeline, or maybe some of the flips you keep and you start learning the depreciation game, cost segregation, 1031 exchanges. And dude, that's how you do it. It's not rocket science. None of this shit is— this ain't splitting atoms. It's just a lot of people never broke it down in the logical order from where you should start to where you should finish.
Brandon Brittingham:
Yeah, 100%. That's a great way, and it makes it so simple. Another thing that I know that you are really invested in and know a lot about is essentially the affordable housing with lot home packages. And I'm just a huge believer Just with everything that's going on and looking at the future, if I look at my own portfolio, some of the things that are performing the best are my mobile home parks, my RV parks. To your point, I bought them right. I talked to you, it was probably 60 days ago, and we actually were able to figure out the lot home package up here through a manufacturer. And I mean, the margin on it is insane. But I'm going to also be at a price point where it's affordable in my market. So I'd love for you to talk about how you got into that, what you see on that side. Just talk about that.
Chris Rood:
What state are you in?
Brandon Brittingham:
Maryland, Delaware.
Chris Rood:
Okay. So I've been investing in mobile homes now for about 10 years. Bought my first park in 2016, and I bought 19 mobile home parks from 2016 up until about I'd say 24-ish. And not because, you know, I was smarter than everybody back then. I just, when I was, when the apartment craze was going on, everybody's talking about apartments. You know, listen, I'm a little bit older. I'm 45. I've been in the game a while. I almost went bankrupt in 2008. So, you know, I saw the 2008 crash. And whereas, you know, a lot of people didn't see that. And I saw these younger guys that were in their late 20s, early 30s, you know, that didn't really necessarily feel the pain of 2008. I had a bunch of mechanic shops back then. I almost went bankrupt. It was so tough. That stuck in my mind. So I've always had discernment to make sure I buy right. While everybody was buying all these apartments from 2012 all the way through 2022, I couldn't make sense of how expensive they were and the little small margin that these guys were buying. I'm like—
Brandon Brittingham:
Yeah.
Chris Rood:
They're like, apartments this, and I'd go to these masterminds and they're like talking about apartments. I'm looking at, you know, buying it at a, you know, a 5-cap or a 6-cap. I'm like, dude, I'm buying these mobile homes at an $1,820 cap.
Brandon Brittingham:
Okay.
Chris Rood:
I'm like, I just can't make sense of what y'all are doing. If everything goes right, y'all going to make $120 to $150 a door. If everything goes right, everybody pays and nothing breaks. I'm making $600 a door. So that's kind of how I fell into that. I couldn't make sense of that. And then I live in South Louisiana. There's a lot of mobile home parks here and You know, I read an article in 2015 by Warren Buffett. Everybody knows who Warren Buffett is. He owns— back then he had just bought, or had bought Clayton Mobile Homes.
Brandon Brittingham:
Mm-hmm.
Chris Rood:
And I read an article and he's, you know, he said that, you know, mobile homes are the wave of the future. This is how brilliant Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger are, right? Yeah, they, they see things into the future. I was getting a haircut and I, I was reading an article and about— he said, you know, mobile homes will be the wave of the future based off of all this stuff that's actually happened today. Demographics, the baby boomers are aging and they're going to get out of the homes and want something cheaper. Student college debt is so expensive that these kids that are getting out of college can't afford a brick-on-slab house. He said inflation will get so high, and this is before COVID inflation will get so high that people just can't afford a house anymore. And that made sense to me. That's kind of what sparked my interest in mobile homes after reading that article in 2000. 2015, and I started paying attention more to mobile home parks. And, you know, when you start thinking about things and, and talking about it in your mind, you start becoming aware of it and you see things and you start attracting things in your life. And crazy, about a week or two later after I read that article, I told myself, I'm gonna start looking to buying some mobile home parks. A realtor approached me while I was in the gym. He knew I was a real estate investor. Hey, man, I got this weird asset. I know you buy real estate, he goes, but I got this mobile home park, 24-unit, that got brought to me, and I don't know what to do with it. Nobody wants to buy it. They say it's trash. And I said, well, I'll go look at it. And dude, I bought my first park 2016. I infilled it and took the rents from $7,500 to $15,500. And yeah, I sold it, I believe, about a year and a half ago. But that was the first park I bought. And I just kept snowballing and rolling more, buying more mobile home parks all over the South. And I'd get a lot of leads coming through from my wholesaling business for people that wanted to sell their mobile homes to be Moved off the property. And I put 2 and 2 together. I was buying mobile homes for $2,000 to $5,000, moving them into my trailer parks and in-fielding it and making $800 to $1,000 a month. I mean, it's just, you can't, when you combine margins that cheap with your margins that high, you can't lose. So that's kind of how I got into it. And then the market pulled back, call it 2022, 2023. where single-family home flips, you know, kind of, and wholesales got really tight. And I made the pivot into mobile homes. And I, you know, I got my dealer's license and set up shop in a few different states and own Allies Wholesale Depot. You know, we're in 3 states now. We are year one. We did it right at $8 million in gross revenue last year. This year we're set to do about $13 million in gross revenue. So we wholesale to different investors all over the country at the cheapest rock-bottom prices. is, uh, to do what's called the land home package, which I do myself in 4 states. And that's where you buy land that's zoned for mobile homes and drop a brand new double-wide or single-wide and flip it. And that's the only thing left that's affordable, to your point, like you said.
Brandon Brittingham:
Dude.
Chris Rood:
I mean, there's nothing else that's affordable, and it ain't looking good for the foreseeable future. I mean, I do see price drops happening all over the country, but it's still— I mean, there still needs to be probably another 15 to 20% correction just for people to afford shit.
Brandon Brittingham:
Yeah. I mean, no doubt about it. It's amazing. You said— what'd you say that was, 2015 you read that from Warren Buffett?
Chris Rood:
Yep.
Brandon Brittingham:
Yeah. So you figure what, he was 11 years ahead of his time on that? And then think about the present day, how right he was on all of it. That's why he's such an amazing investor because the middle class right now is just getting murdered. And even below that because the cost of living, the prices, everything. To your point, I have an RV park in Texas and I have another pretty large mobile home park, but the RV park has turned into majority of people that are in our RV park are living there permanently.
Chris Rood:
Wow.
Brandon Brittingham:
You know what I mean? Because of cost of living. And just to give you guys an idea too, we put a bunch of tiny homes in there. And we got a waiting list of people wanting to get a tiny home, again, just because of cost of living. So that's pretty cool. You saw it before probably a lot of people saw it, but the affordable— a lot of people that listen to this are investors or are looking to invest, whatever the case is. The affordable housing space in general, I think that has to be a part of your portfolio going forward to survive. If not, you're gonna get crushed.
Chris Rood:
It has to be, man. And if you're gonna— if you're gonna survive, you gotta— it's not your opinion. You have to live in mirror reality and look in what's needed and wanted. And, you know, I played the very top. I own a bunch of short-term vacation rentals on the beach and high-end destinations. I own a bunch of stuff in Destin, Florida, on the beach, and Orange Beach, Gulf Shores, Broken Bow. I'm about to buy a big cabin in Colorado on probably Grand Lake in Colorado. People got money, you know, they're going to still vacation. And then at the bottom, you got RV parks and mobile home parks where people, you know, can afford it. Everything else in between is hosed.
Brandon Brittingham:
Yeah, yeah. And it's kind of like the— they're talking about the K-shaped economy. That's what you're seeing, right?
Chris Rood:
That's exactly right.
Brandon Brittingham:
Like, it's, it's, it's— that's like what you're seeing. So if, you know, someone— you, you've been through all kinds of different facets of being an investor, right? And you've seen it from a bunch of different angles. If somebody's new, like, I just want to start getting into this, or, I'm new, what's your advice to where do they start? What do you think they should do first?
Chris Rood:
Learn how to source deals off market, one. 2, learn how to negotiate. And 3, eventually learn how to raise capital, right? In that order. You know, don't learn how to— let me tell you why all these syndicators are blowing themselves up right now in apartments, because they did it out of order. They learned how to raise capital because they had a social media following and they built trust through their audience. They raised capital, but they didn't know how to find deals. They weren't real operators. I was an operator first before I became, you know, a social media guru and got a bunch of followers. And I still hate that word social media guru because it's all fake and gay. You know, none of this shit's even real on social media. Learn how to find motivated sellers. And that goes for anything in business also, right? I'm an entrepreneur first. I owned a bunch of mechanic shops in my 20s and 30s. All the shops I bought when I was in my 20s, 30s was from me finding a motivated seller, whether the shop owner was on drugs, he was behind on his taxes, and I ended up buying their shops. That is the quintessential part of being good at business and entrepreneurship is becoming a deal finder. You just gotta get good at finding opportunities. So if I'm young, I'm just getting started, I'd pick up my book, Skill Up. I mean, the playbook of how I built wealth from scratch is in there. No guru bullshit. Like, it's hard. And you gotta think in decades.
Brandon Brittingham:
Yep.
Chris Rood:
Not years. Decades. People don't wanna hear that. They think that you're gonna buy, you know, go and start a business and get rich in a year. Dude, I've been at— I'm 45, but I've been doing this since I was 22. That's when I started my first business. So that's 20, what is that? 23 years, 24 years of grinding. And I just started seeing some headway probably 5 years ago because it takes so long. And if you're not willing to grind it out, just put it down. Go get a job. And there's nothing wrong with getting a job, but it'll be one of the most stressful, one of the— and at the same time, most satisfying and rewarding things you'll ever do in your lifetime if you can get to the end of it. But you got to be smart. You can't blow yourself up. You got to be patient. You can't overextend like these guys do because they You want to get rich quick? There's no such thing. You can't skip the process. Everybody looked cool from 20— uh, you know, 2020 or 2017 to 2022 because why? They weren't smart. Their fundamentals were out for the most part. It was just inflation. Inflation made everybody look like a genius.
Brandon Brittingham:
Yeah, I mean, you— we had a run where you could buy a deal that didn't make sense and still the market rewarded all of us for bad behavior. You know what I mean?
Chris Rood:
Yeah.
Brandon Brittingham:
Just 2 points I want to make on what you said. So similar to you, I've been in this game for 20-plus years now, and I didn't start raising capital until about 5 years ago. Obviously, I understood the debt. I had great relationships with institutions, with banks, all that, because I had to, but I didn't actually start raising capital through syndication, through a fund, any of that until about 5 years ago. Um, and you know what I mean, that was when I had 15 years of being an operator under my belt, you know. So I'm, I'm glad you mentioned that because that is so true. And another thing—
Chris Rood:
I want to hold your thought because you just said something really, really good that I forgot to add in there. I didn't start raising capital until I had built my own wealth. The first $15, $20 million in my portfolio I did with my money. Yeah, nobody else's. I didn't raise no money to build my— the, the first $15, $20 million of property I bought, I did it all with my own money hard. Now, and once you do that with your own money, then you qualify to go raise other people's money. That's the problem with a lot of these syndicators. They never even invested their own money. They just go— it's easy to go use somebody else's money when you haven't done it yourself.
Brandon Brittingham:
You'll become disciplined when you use your own. Yeah. And I think the other thing that was cool that you said was you started really seeing headway 5 years ago. So think about all the time that it took. And most people aren't willing to do that. Um, over the weekend I was at an event and, um, one of my good friends, a guy by the name of Heath Evans, he played for the New England Patriots. He was a fullback behind, uh, Brady and he played with Belichick. Obviously he won a Super Bowl. He was in the league for 11 years and he talked about how he never really learned how to play football until he got to New England. And, you know, career football guy, and the thing that you just said that That reminds me of something he said over the weekend is he said New England was the most stressful place to play, but the most peaceful place to play because they stressed us in practice and we were always ready for the game. And it's what you said. And I think that, I think we've glorified being an entrepreneur so much on social media that no one talks about the actual shit you got to go through and the pressure you have to endure. Um, it is going to be the hardest thing you will ever go through to make it to the other side. And you just said it perfectly of, yeah, dude, once you get there, it's great. But, you know, it's— there's a reason why there's a 99% and 1% separation of wealth in our country, because the 99% doesn't want to go through the pressure that it takes. And, uh, I'm just— it's refreshing to hear that because you go on social media and everybody's winning, and you and I both know from being in the trenches and getting our ass kicked that that's not fucking reality.
Chris Rood:
No. If you haven't went almost bankrupt, couldn't pay your employees, haven't had cash flow problems, you don't talk about any of those things, then you're just not real, man. I mean, this is real stuff that entrepreneurs go through. Cash flow problems, employees stealing from you, deals going sideways, Mother Nature kicking your ass from maybe a hurricane or whatever it may be, just shit you can't foresee. I mean, dude, this shit is hard, man. And then, and the price you pay to build wealth It's mental anguish. And if you're not willing to have and sustain mental anguish for a sustained period of time, you can't build wealth. Sorry.
Brandon Brittingham:
That's, that's the truth, 100%. I'm gonna ask you 2 more questions. Uh, one, for people that, you know, interested in following you, wanting to connect with you, how can they find you?
Chris Rood:
I'd say go follow me on Instagram @realestateroot and Facebook at Chris Root and Chris Root Entrepreneur. I do have a YouTube channel, I post my daily journey. Me and my wife are full-time investors. You know, we got our hands in a lot of stuff. You know, I try to share my journey with my audience to help, you know, give nuggets of things that I made mistakes on and things and tidbits that I find out through my journey. I try to just, you know, transmigrate those skills into other people to help the younger crowd because I think that there's just, there needs to be a change of how things are said on social media and how things are taught. I think things are just really out of whack and out of order. And a clear standard needs to be taught of an expect— and really the word is clear expectations of what you got to endure to get what you want.
Brandon Brittingham:
Yeah, I love that. Um, I, I love your social media, um, in general because you post about the issues and the problems and the shit you've been through and what you need to watch out for. And it's not like, hey man, we're just all winning at, you know, every fucking level, you know, every fucking day. which is what a lot of people are putting on social media, which is not real. So I appreciate the fact that you're willing to put stuff out there like, hey, this is what you need to watch out for, and this is real, and this is part of being an entrepreneur, because it's what people need to hear. You know what I mean?
Chris Rood:
Yeah.
Brandon Brittingham:
And last question, ask everybody this. So we call the show Wake Up to Wealth, um, probably similar to you. You know, I grew up poor. I wasn't taught about money. Wasn't educated about money. So 2 things of why I do this show, it's I want people to wake up to wealth one day. So I want them to wake up and be wealthy, but I also want them to wake up from an education standpoint of we've just never been taught about money. No one teaches about money. So I want them to wake the fuck up to understand that there's a different way if you get educated. Ask everybody at the end of the show, Whatever your answer is, is your answer. What does waking up to wealth mean to you?
Chris Rood:
It means taking personal responsibility for your own future, your own wealth, your own outcomes. Stop being a victim. Stop blaming the government. Stop blaming the economy. Stop blaming your mom and dad and take personal responsibility for what you want. When you take personal responsibility for all of your outcomes, good, bad, ugly, or indifferent, You take back your life and you take back control. Because as soon as you give it to somebody else and say, hey, I'm the victim of somebody else's, maybe my parents or maybe my education, you lose all control and power. But once you understand that you're in full control and full power of your destiny, once you take full responsibility for your outcomes, dude, you can have whatever you want in life because you get back your power because you're not a victim no more. Most people are victims on this planet. And whether you like it or not, we live on an economic planet. Whether you like money, you like the rich, you want to be poor, you want to be modest, it doesn't matter. The world runs on production, money, and effort. And if you can't understand that, dude, then you're just going to be poor and broke.
Brandon Brittingham:
That's facts. That's a great answer. Well, I want to say thank you, number one, for coming on the show. Everybody look him up, pay attention, follow him on social media, check out his book. He does really good stuff and he puts really good content out. And again, I appreciate you taking your time and pouring into my audience today. Thank you for being a guest on the show.
Chris Rood:
Absolutely.
Brandon Brittingham:
Thank you, Brandon.
Chris Rood:
Appreciate it.
Brandon Brittingham:
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